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Bentham's Bulldog's avatar

I argue for the supposedly repugnant utilitarian conclusion here. https://benthams.substack.com/p/utilitarianism-wins-outright-part-336

But I think this is mostly irrelevant to the dispute. Every plausible view will say it's wrong to cause lots of suffering--and worse the more suffering you cause. Some views will say that lower pains like pinpricks are infinitely less bad than torture, so the badness of causing one torture is greater than that of causing a bunch of pinpricks. If I was deciding whether to either break both arms of one person or 1 arm of 49 people, the argument you give wouldn't be relevant, and I think it's not relevant here. In this case, even though fish aren't very smart, it still seems wrong to cause them tons of torture for the sake of minor pleasures.

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J. Goard's avatar

My response to the Repugnant Conclusion argument is that it's a proof that what we feel socially obligated to describe as lives "barely worth living" are in fact highly net-negative lives, or to put it another way, the actual marginally net-positive life would be one we'd look at and intuitively go, "yeah, you know, that life seems pretty okay!" and not find a world with huge numbers of such lives repugnant at all.

The problem stems from "lives barely worth living" being misused euphemistically, because we instinctively worry that if we correctly call them "very net-negative lives that would be better having never existed", people may falsely accuse us of wanting to commit genocide, of not trying to help them now that they're here, etc.

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